<<First <Previous Teaser Intro 1 Intro 2 Intro 3 1-001 DRIP at The Plant 1-002 1-003 1-004 1-005 1-006 1-007 at Scarlet's 1-008 at The House 1-009 at The Shack 1-010 Short 001 Short 002 1-011 1-012 1-013 Short 003 Short 004 1-014 at The Plant 1-015 at The House 1-016 at The Shack Short 005 1-017 1-018 at Tyler's 1-019 Short 006 Short 007 1-020 1-021 at The Shack 1-022 at Fall Harbor Short 008 Short 009 Short 010 1-023 1-024 1-025 Short 011 1-026 at The Airport 1-027 at a Mile High 1-028 at Nice Short 012 Short 013 1-029 at Monaco 1-030 1-031 Short 014 1-032 1-033 1-034 1-035 1-036 1-037 1-038 - COUGH COUGH at The Shack 1-039 at Scarlet's 1-040 at The House Short 015 Short 016 Short 017 1-041 1-042 1-043 Short 018 Short 019 1-044 1-045 1-046 Short 020 1-047 at The Shack 1-048 1-049 Short 021 Short 022 1-050 at The House 1-051 1-052 Short 023 1-053 at Gretch's 1-054 1-055 Short 024 Short 025 1-056 at The House 1-057 1-058 Short 026 Short 027 1-059 at The Plant 1-060 1-061 Short 028 Short 029 1-062 1-063 1-064 Short 030 1-065 1-066 at The Shack 1-067 at Gretch's Short 031 Short 032 1-068 1-069 1-070 1-071 1-072 - WINNING at The Shack 1-073 1-074 Short 033 Short 034 1-075 at The House 1-076 1-077 Short 035 Short 036 1-078 1-079 1-080 Short 037 Short 038 Short 039 1-081 1-082 1-083 at The Shack Short 040 1-084 1-085 1-086 at The Field Short 041 Short 042 1-087 1-088 1-089 Short 043 1-090 at The Plant 1-091 1-092 at Aegis Short 044 Short 045 Short 046 1-093 at The Plant 1-094 1-095 Short 047 Short 048 1-096 1-097 at The Shack 1-098 1-099 1-100 at The Plant 1-101 1-102 Short 049 Short 050 1-103 1-104 1-105 at Tyler's 1-106 Short 051 1-107 1-108 Short 052 1-109 1-110 1-111 1-112 Short 053 Short 054 Short 055 Short 056 1-113 at The Shack 1-114 at Tyler's 1-115 at The Plant Short 057 1-116 1-117 1-118 Short 058 1-119 - NEW NORMAL at The Shack 1-120 1-121 Short 059 Short 060 1-122 1-123 1-124 Short 061 Short 062 1-125 at Corporate 1-126 1-127 Short 063 Short 064 1-128 1-129 1-130 Short 065 Short 066 1-131 at The House 1-132 at The Shack 1-133 Short 067 Short 068 Short 069 1-134 at The Expo 1-135 1-136 1-137 1-138 1-139 Short 071 1-140 Short 072 Short 073 1-141 at The Shack 1-142 1-143 1-144 Short 074 Short 075 1-145 at Tyler's 1-146 at Aegis 1-147 1-148 - RISING at The Shack 1-149 1-150 Short 076 Short 077 1-151 Short 078 1-152 1-153 at The House 1-154 at The Shack Short 079 Short 080 1-155 1-156 Short 081 Short 082 1-157 1-158 1-159 Short 083 1-160 at The Goods 1-161 1-162 Short 084 1-163 1-164 at The Shack 1-165 Short 085 Short 086 1-166 1-167 at Scarlet's 1-168 1-169 1-170 1-171 Short 087 1-172 at The House 1-173 1-174 1-175 at The Coin 1-176 at The Goods Short 088 1-177 at The Shack 1-178 Short 089 Short 090 1-179 at The Plant 1-180 at The Shack Short 091 1-181 1-182 - KEEP CALM at The Goods 1-183 Short 092 1-184 at The Plant 1-185 at The Goods 1-186 Short 093 1-187 at Tyler's 1-188 1-189 1-190 1-191 Short 094 1-192 at The Plant 1-193 1-194 at The Goods 1-195 1-196 at The Plant 1-197 Short 095 1-198 1-199 Short 096 1-200 at The Goods Short 097 Short 098 1-201 at The Plant 1-202 at The Hospital 1-203 1-204 Short 099 1-205 at The Plant 1-206 1-207 Short 100 1-208 at Scarlett's 1-209 1-210 at The Goods 1-211 at The Hospital Short 101 1-212 1-213 Short 102 Short 103 1-214 1-215 Short 104 Short 105 1-216 1-217 Short 106 1-218 1-219 1-220 1-221 1-222 1-223 1-224 at Yoga 1-225 1-226 1-227 1-228 1-229 1-230 at The Bar 1-231 Short 107 1-232 at The House Short 108 1-233 at The Plant 1-233.1 1-234 1-235 Short 109 Short 110 1-236 at The Hospital 1-237 Short 111 1-238 at The Plant 1-239 - 'TILL DEATH at The Shack Short 112 1-240 at The House 1-241 1-242 1-243 Short 112 1-244 at The Lot Short 113 1-245 1-246 1-247 1-248 1-249 1-250 Short 114 1-251 1-252 1-253 1-254 1-255 1-256 Short 115 1-257 at The Bar 1-258 at Maggie's 1-259 1-260 1-261 1-262 1-263 at The Plant 1-264 1-265 1-266 1-267 Guest 01 Short 116 Short 117 1-268 at The House Short 117 1-269 at The Airport 1-270 Short 118 Short 119 Short 120 1-271 at Jamaica 1-272 1-273 1-274 Short 121 1-275 1-276 1-277 1-278 1-279 Short 122 1-280 1-281 1-282 1-283 1-284 1-285 Short 123 1-286 1-287 1-288 1-289 Short 124 1-290 1-291 1-292 1-293 1-294 1-295 1-296 - REINTRODUCTIONS at The Shack 1-297 1-298 1-299 1-300 at The Goods Short 125 1-301 at Jefferson 1-302 at The Plant 1-303 1-304 1-305 at The House 1-306 1-307 Short 126 1-308 Short 127 1-309 at The Shack Short 128 1-310 1-310.1 at The Plant 1-311 at The Shack 1-312 1-313 1-314 1-315 at The Airport Short 129 1-316 1-317 at Nice 1-318 1-319 1-320 1-321 at Monaco 1-322 1-323 1-324 1-325 1-326 1-327 - French Press Short 130 1-328 Short 131 1-329 1-330 at Autumn Bay 1-331 at Monaco Short 132 1-332 1-333 1-334 1-335 1-336 1-337 1-338 1-339 1-340 1-341 1-342 1-343 1-344 at The Airport 1-345 at The Shack 1-346 at The Plant Thank You Volume 1 2-001 Handpicked 2-002 2-003 2-004 2-005 2-006 2-007 2-008 2-009 2-010 2-011 2-012 2-013 Short 133 2-014 2-015 2-016 2-017 2-018 2-019 2-020 2-021 2-022 2-023 2-024 2-025 2-026 2-027 2-028 Short 134 2-029 2-030 2-031 Handpicked II 2-032 2-033 2-034 2-035 2-036 Short 135 2-037 2-038 2-039 2-040 2-041 Short 136 2-042 Short 137 2-043 2-044 2-045 2-046 2-047 2-048 Short 138 2-049 2-050 2-051 2-052 2-053 Short 139 2-054 2-055 2-056 2-057 Short 140 Short 141 2-058 2-059 2-060 2-061 2-062 2-063 2-064 Short 142 2-065 2-066 Short 143 2-067 2-068 2-069 2-070 Short 145 2-071 2-072 2-073 2-074 2-075 Handpicked III 2-076 2-077 2-078 2-079 2-080 2-081 2-082 2-083 2-084 2-085 2-086 2-087 2-088 2-089 2-090 2-091 2-092 2-093 2-094 2-095 2-096 Short 146 Short 147 2-097 2-098 2-099 2-100 2-101 Handpicked IV 2-102 2-103 2-104 2-105 Short 148 2-106 2-107 2-108 2-109 2-110 2-111 2-112 2-113 2-114 2-115 2-116 2-117 2-118 2-119 2-120 2-121 Short 149 2-122 2-123 2-124 2-125 2-126 2-127 2-128 Short 150 Short 151 2-129 2-130 2-131 Help Wanted 2-132 2-133 2-134 2-135 2-136 2-137 2-138 2-139 Short 152 Short 153 2-140 2-141 2-142 Short 154 2-143 2-144 2-145 2-146 2-147 2-148 2-149 2-150 2-151 2-152 2-153 2-154 2-155 2-156 2-157 2-158 2-159 2-160 2-161 2-162 Short 155 Short 156 2-163 2-164 2-165 2-166 2-167 Short 157 Short 158 2-168 2-169 2-170 2-171 2-172 2-173 2-174 2-175 2-176 2-177 2-178 2-179 2-180 Taking Stock 2-181 2-182 2-183 2-184 Short 159 2-185 2-186 2-187 2-188 2-189 2-190 2-191 2-192 2-193 2-194 2-195 2-196 2-197 2-198 2-199 2-200 2-201 Short 160 Short 161 Short 162 2-202 2-203 2-204 2-205 2-206 2-207 2-208 2-209 2-210 2-211 Short 163 2-212 2-213 2-214 2-215 2-216 2-217 Short 164 Short 165 2-218 2-219 2-220 2-221 2-222 2-223 2-224 2-225 2-226 2-227 2-228 Boiling Point 2-229 2-230 2-231 2-232 2-233 2-234 Short 166 2-235 2-236 2-237 2-238 2-239 2-240 Short 167 2-241 2-242 2-243 2-244 2-245 2-246 2-247 2-248 2-249 Short 168 2-250 2-251 Short 169 2-252 2-253 2-254 2-255 2-256 2-257 2-258 2-259 2-260 2-261 2-262 2-263 2-264 Boiling Point II 2-265 2-266 2-267 2-268 2-269 2-270 2-271 2-272 2-273 2-274 2-275 2-276 2-277 2-278 2-279 2-280 2-281 2-282 2-283 2-284 2-285 2-286 2-287 2-288 2-289 Short 170 Short 171 Short 172 Short 173 2-290 2-291 2-292 2-293 2-294 2-295 2-296 2-297 2-298 2-299 2-300 2-301 2-302 2-303 2-304 2-305 Thank You Volume 2 3-001 3-002 3-003 3-004 3-005 3-006 3-007 3-008 3-009 3-010 Short 174 3-011 3-012 3-013 3-014 3-015 3-016 3-017 3-018 3-019 3-020 3-021 3-022 3-023 3-024 3-025 3-026 3-027 Short 175 3-028 3-029 3-030 3-031 Short 176 3-032 3-033 3-034 3-035 3-036 Short 177 3-037 3-038 3-039 Short 178 3-040 3-041 3-042 3-043 3-044 3-045 Koganan Blend 3-046 Short 179 Short 180 3-047 3-048 Short 181 3-049 3-050 3-051 3-052 3-053 3-054 3-055 3-056 3-057 Short 182 3-058 3-059 3-060 3-061 3-062 3-063 Short 183 3-064 3-065 3-066 3-067 3-068 3-069 3-070 3-071 3-072 3-073 3-074 3-075 Short 184 3-076 3-077 3-078 3-079 3-080 3-081 3-082 3-083 3-084 Short 185 3-085 3-086 Short 186 3-087 3-088 Short 187 3-089 3-090 3-091 Short 188 3-092 3-093 3-094 3-095 3-096 3-097 3-098 3-099 3-100 3-101 3-102 3-103 3-104 3-105 3-106 3-107 3-108 3-109 3-110 3-111 3-112 Next> Latest>> Average Rating: 5 (5 votes) Rate this comic <<First <Previous Teaser Intro 1 Intro 2 Intro 3 1-001 DRIP at The Plant 1-002 1-003 1-004 1-005 1-006 1-007 at Scarlet's 1-008 at The House 1-009 at The Shack 1-010 Short 001 Short 002 1-011 1-012 1-013 Short 003 Short 004 1-014 at The Plant 1-015 at The House 1-016 at The Shack Short 005 1-017 1-018 at Tyler's 1-019 Short 006 Short 007 1-020 1-021 at The Shack 1-022 at Fall Harbor Short 008 Short 009 Short 010 1-023 1-024 1-025 Short 011 1-026 at The Airport 1-027 at a Mile High 1-028 at Nice Short 012 Short 013 1-029 at Monaco 1-030 1-031 Short 014 1-032 1-033 1-034 1-035 1-036 1-037 1-038 - COUGH COUGH at The Shack 1-039 at Scarlet's 1-040 at The House Short 015 Short 016 Short 017 1-041 1-042 1-043 Short 018 Short 019 1-044 1-045 1-046 Short 020 1-047 at The Shack 1-048 1-049 Short 021 Short 022 1-050 at The House 1-051 1-052 Short 023 1-053 at Gretch's 1-054 1-055 Short 024 Short 025 1-056 at The House 1-057 1-058 Short 026 Short 027 1-059 at The Plant 1-060 1-061 Short 028 Short 029 1-062 1-063 1-064 Short 030 1-065 1-066 at The Shack 1-067 at Gretch's Short 031 Short 032 1-068 1-069 1-070 1-071 1-072 - WINNING at The Shack 1-073 1-074 Short 033 Short 034 1-075 at The House 1-076 1-077 Short 035 Short 036 1-078 1-079 1-080 Short 037 Short 038 Short 039 1-081 1-082 1-083 at The Shack Short 040 1-084 1-085 1-086 at The Field Short 041 Short 042 1-087 1-088 1-089 Short 043 1-090 at The Plant 1-091 1-092 at Aegis Short 044 Short 045 Short 046 1-093 at The Plant 1-094 1-095 Short 047 Short 048 1-096 1-097 at The Shack 1-098 1-099 1-100 at The Plant 1-101 1-102 Short 049 Short 050 1-103 1-104 1-105 at Tyler's 1-106 Short 051 1-107 1-108 Short 052 1-109 1-110 1-111 1-112 Short 053 Short 054 Short 055 Short 056 1-113 at The Shack 1-114 at Tyler's 1-115 at The Plant Short 057 1-116 1-117 1-118 Short 058 1-119 - NEW NORMAL at The Shack 1-120 1-121 Short 059 Short 060 1-122 1-123 1-124 Short 061 Short 062 1-125 at Corporate 1-126 1-127 Short 063 Short 064 1-128 1-129 1-130 Short 065 Short 066 1-131 at The House 1-132 at The Shack 1-133 Short 067 Short 068 Short 069 1-134 at The Expo 1-135 1-136 1-137 1-138 1-139 Short 071 1-140 Short 072 Short 073 1-141 at The Shack 1-142 1-143 1-144 Short 074 Short 075 1-145 at Tyler's 1-146 at Aegis 1-147 1-148 - RISING at The Shack 1-149 1-150 Short 076 Short 077 1-151 Short 078 1-152 1-153 at The House 1-154 at The Shack Short 079 Short 080 1-155 1-156 Short 081 Short 082 1-157 1-158 1-159 Short 083 1-160 at The Goods 1-161 1-162 Short 084 1-163 1-164 at The Shack 1-165 Short 085 Short 086 1-166 1-167 at Scarlet's 1-168 1-169 1-170 1-171 Short 087 1-172 at The House 1-173 1-174 1-175 at The Coin 1-176 at The Goods Short 088 1-177 at The Shack 1-178 Short 089 Short 090 1-179 at The Plant 1-180 at The Shack Short 091 1-181 1-182 - KEEP CALM at The Goods 1-183 Short 092 1-184 at The Plant 1-185 at The Goods 1-186 Short 093 1-187 at Tyler's 1-188 1-189 1-190 1-191 Short 094 1-192 at The Plant 1-193 1-194 at The Goods 1-195 1-196 at The Plant 1-197 Short 095 1-198 1-199 Short 096 1-200 at The Goods Short 097 Short 098 1-201 at The Plant 1-202 at The Hospital 1-203 1-204 Short 099 1-205 at The Plant 1-206 1-207 Short 100 1-208 at Scarlett's 1-209 1-210 at The Goods 1-211 at The Hospital Short 101 1-212 1-213 Short 102 Short 103 1-214 1-215 Short 104 Short 105 1-216 1-217 Short 106 1-218 1-219 1-220 1-221 1-222 1-223 1-224 at Yoga 1-225 1-226 1-227 1-228 1-229 1-230 at The Bar 1-231 Short 107 1-232 at The House Short 108 1-233 at The Plant 1-233.1 1-234 1-235 Short 109 Short 110 1-236 at The Hospital 1-237 Short 111 1-238 at The Plant 1-239 - 'TILL DEATH at The Shack Short 112 1-240 at The House 1-241 1-242 1-243 Short 112 1-244 at The Lot Short 113 1-245 1-246 1-247 1-248 1-249 1-250 Short 114 1-251 1-252 1-253 1-254 1-255 1-256 Short 115 1-257 at The Bar 1-258 at Maggie's 1-259 1-260 1-261 1-262 1-263 at The Plant 1-264 1-265 1-266 1-267 Guest 01 Short 116 Short 117 1-268 at The House Short 117 1-269 at The Airport 1-270 Short 118 Short 119 Short 120 1-271 at Jamaica 1-272 1-273 1-274 Short 121 1-275 1-276 1-277 1-278 1-279 Short 122 1-280 1-281 1-282 1-283 1-284 1-285 Short 123 1-286 1-287 1-288 1-289 Short 124 1-290 1-291 1-292 1-293 1-294 1-295 1-296 - REINTRODUCTIONS at The Shack 1-297 1-298 1-299 1-300 at The Goods Short 125 1-301 at Jefferson 1-302 at The Plant 1-303 1-304 1-305 at The House 1-306 1-307 Short 126 1-308 Short 127 1-309 at The Shack Short 128 1-310 1-310.1 at The Plant 1-311 at The Shack 1-312 1-313 1-314 1-315 at The Airport Short 129 1-316 1-317 at Nice 1-318 1-319 1-320 1-321 at Monaco 1-322 1-323 1-324 1-325 1-326 1-327 - French Press Short 130 1-328 Short 131 1-329 1-330 at Autumn Bay 1-331 at Monaco Short 132 1-332 1-333 1-334 1-335 1-336 1-337 1-338 1-339 1-340 1-341 1-342 1-343 1-344 at The Airport 1-345 at The Shack 1-346 at The Plant Thank You Volume 1 2-001 Handpicked 2-002 2-003 2-004 2-005 2-006 2-007 2-008 2-009 2-010 2-011 2-012 2-013 Short 133 2-014 2-015 2-016 2-017 2-018 2-019 2-020 2-021 2-022 2-023 2-024 2-025 2-026 2-027 2-028 Short 134 2-029 2-030 2-031 Handpicked II 2-032 2-033 2-034 2-035 2-036 Short 135 2-037 2-038 2-039 2-040 2-041 Short 136 2-042 Short 137 2-043 2-044 2-045 2-046 2-047 2-048 Short 138 2-049 2-050 2-051 2-052 2-053 Short 139 2-054 2-055 2-056 2-057 Short 140 Short 141 2-058 2-059 2-060 2-061 2-062 2-063 2-064 Short 142 2-065 2-066 Short 143 2-067 2-068 2-069 2-070 Short 145 2-071 2-072 2-073 2-074 2-075 Handpicked III 2-076 2-077 2-078 2-079 2-080 2-081 2-082 2-083 2-084 2-085 2-086 2-087 2-088 2-089 2-090 2-091 2-092 2-093 2-094 2-095 2-096 Short 146 Short 147 2-097 2-098 2-099 2-100 2-101 Handpicked IV 2-102 2-103 2-104 2-105 Short 148 2-106 2-107 2-108 2-109 2-110 2-111 2-112 2-113 2-114 2-115 2-116 2-117 2-118 2-119 2-120 2-121 Short 149 2-122 2-123 2-124 2-125 2-126 2-127 2-128 Short 150 Short 151 2-129 2-130 2-131 Help Wanted 2-132 2-133 2-134 2-135 2-136 2-137 2-138 2-139 Short 152 Short 153 2-140 2-141 2-142 Short 154 2-143 2-144 2-145 2-146 2-147 2-148 2-149 2-150 2-151 2-152 2-153 2-154 2-155 2-156 2-157 2-158 2-159 2-160 2-161 2-162 Short 155 Short 156 2-163 2-164 2-165 2-166 2-167 Short 157 Short 158 2-168 2-169 2-170 2-171 2-172 2-173 2-174 2-175 2-176 2-177 2-178 2-179 2-180 Taking Stock 2-181 2-182 2-183 2-184 Short 159 2-185 2-186 2-187 2-188 2-189 2-190 2-191 2-192 2-193 2-194 2-195 2-196 2-197 2-198 2-199 2-200 2-201 Short 160 Short 161 Short 162 2-202 2-203 2-204 2-205 2-206 2-207 2-208 2-209 2-210 2-211 Short 163 2-212 2-213 2-214 2-215 2-216 2-217 Short 164 Short 165 2-218 2-219 2-220 2-221 2-222 2-223 2-224 2-225 2-226 2-227 2-228 Boiling Point 2-229 2-230 2-231 2-232 2-233 2-234 Short 166 2-235 2-236 2-237 2-238 2-239 2-240 Short 167 2-241 2-242 2-243 2-244 2-245 2-246 2-247 2-248 2-249 Short 168 2-250 2-251 Short 169 2-252 2-253 2-254 2-255 2-256 2-257 2-258 2-259 2-260 2-261 2-262 2-263 2-264 Boiling Point II 2-265 2-266 2-267 2-268 2-269 2-270 2-271 2-272 2-273 2-274 2-275 2-276 2-277 2-278 2-279 2-280 2-281 2-282 2-283 2-284 2-285 2-286 2-287 2-288 2-289 Short 170 Short 171 Short 172 Short 173 2-290 2-291 2-292 2-293 2-294 2-295 2-296 2-297 2-298 2-299 2-300 2-301 2-302 2-303 2-304 2-305 Thank You Volume 2 3-001 3-002 3-003 3-004 3-005 3-006 3-007 3-008 3-009 3-010 Short 174 3-011 3-012 3-013 3-014 3-015 3-016 3-017 3-018 3-019 3-020 3-021 3-022 3-023 3-024 3-025 3-026 3-027 Short 175 3-028 3-029 3-030 3-031 Short 176 3-032 3-033 3-034 3-035 3-036 Short 177 3-037 3-038 3-039 Short 178 3-040 3-041 3-042 3-043 3-044 3-045 Koganan Blend 3-046 Short 179 Short 180 3-047 3-048 Short 181 3-049 3-050 3-051 3-052 3-053 3-054 3-055 3-056 3-057 Short 182 3-058 3-059 3-060 3-061 3-062 3-063 Short 183 3-064 3-065 3-066 3-067 3-068 3-069 3-070 3-071 3-072 3-073 3-074 3-075 Short 184 3-076 3-077 3-078 3-079 3-080 3-081 3-082 3-083 3-084 Short 185 3-085 3-086 Short 186 3-087 3-088 Short 187 3-089 3-090 3-091 Short 188 3-092 3-093 3-094 3-095 3-096 3-097 3-098 3-099 3-100 3-101 3-102 3-103 3-104 3-105 3-106 3-107 3-108 3-109 3-110 3-111 3-112 Next> Latest>> Save My Place | Load My Place Infinite Scroll Mode Grinder$ coffee mugs and more! Author Notes: lirvilas 6th Jul 2021, 11:16 PM edit delete OK, why don't we get back to making some damn coffee?! Post a Comment Comments: Octopus Ink 7th Jul 2021, 2:00 AM edit delete reply "OK, why don't we get back to making some damn coffee?!" HUZZAH!! Those words are practically a holy hymn. lirvilas 8th Jul 2021, 8:36 AM edit delete reply probably a unifying theme as I wrap up this unholy mess of a "chapter" I put together these arcs in the same way I do my backgrounds--slapdash and "impressionistic" Microraptor 7th Jul 2021, 4:54 AM edit delete reply As long as the profit keeps coming in, if Donna keeps personally peddling the coffee or not should be none of Gretch's concern. lirvilas 7th Jul 2021, 8:32 PM edit delete reply No big spoiler here, but Mike Gretch has a soft spot for Donna, and not even in a purely sexual way. argylefox 10th Jul 2021, 9:34 PM edit delete reply You, sir, are a disgrace. Keep up the good work. lirvilas 10th Jul 2021, 10:07 PM edit delete reply they say "draw what you love"... and I love T&A I'll get back to the actual comedy at some point, I promise BlueDragon 4th Sep 2021, 2:25 PM edit delete reply XD Nice.
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HUZZAH!!
Those words are practically a holy hymn.
I put together these arcs in the same way I do my backgrounds--slapdash and "impressionistic"
Keep up the good work.
they say "draw what you love"... and I love T&AI'll get back to the actual comedy at some point, I promise